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RE: MPLS Closed User Groups

  • From: "Donkin, Richard" <rdonkin@orchestream.com>
  • Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:15:42 +0100
  • Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com
  • Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:10:15 -0400
  • To: "'Irwin Lazar'" <ILazar@tbg.com>

Comments below with '***' in front...

Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: Irwin Lazar [mailto:ILazar@tbg.com]
Sent: Thu 28 September 2000 21:40
To: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com
Subject: MPLS Closed User Groups


Hi All,
I am currently working with a large enterprise that runs an IP backbone
network to connect sites around the world.  The backbone consists of
approximately 8 locations.  The locations are connected via ATM OC-3, which
is leased from a service provider.  They do not own the ATM switches or the
fiber, but they do own and manage the backbone routers at each location.
Connectivity between sites is provided via OSPF.
 
They are looking at the possibility of using MPLS to create closed user
groups to allow them to tunnel traffic across their backbone for specific
locations that connect to various backbone nodes. The goal is that traffic
for these sites would be isolated from the rest of the of their network.  
 
They would also like to prioritize these MPLS tunnels, and they also want to
prioritize certain types of IP traffic that run over the same links, but
isn't part of the MPLS cloud.
 
Questions:
- is it possible to have MPLS closed user groups for specific sites, while
the LSR's also operate as traditional routers to carry non-MPLS traffic?

*** Yes, this is what is termed MPLS VPNs - see RFC 2547 for an in depth
explanation, or
http://www.orchestream.com/products/collateral/data_sheets.html - the last
link here is to a 2 page datasheet explaining MPLS VPNs in a fairly
product-independent manner.

- is it possible to implement prioritization as described above?

*** Yes, typically the edge LSRs copy the IP Precedence values into the MPLS
label's EXT field, which can then be treated as the MPLS CoS level.  However
you'd need to check with the specific LSR vendor.  More complex schemes are
possible using more than one LSP for each source-destination pair, for CoS
purposes.

- would it make sense for them to go to an all MPLS network, with MPLS LSP's
being used for all backbone connectivity (I'm assuming that they would need
to provision LSP's on top of the ATM PVC's between each backbone node, which
I'm not sure makes a lot of sense)

*** This may well make sense, with the caveat that significant testing of
the MPLS LSRs will be necessary - MPLS is not yet as mature as ATM, and is
not an IETF standard at this point.

- would an IP-VPN using a hardware or software be a better solution?

*** I suppose you mean IPSec or GRE based VPNs, since MPLS VPNs are a sort
of IP-VPN technology.  There are various pros and cons to MPLS vs. IPSec
VPNs, but MPLS wins on scalability, resilience, high throughput, etc,
whereas IPSec wins if you need end to end encryption and authentication.  It
depends on the requirements of your VPN, but MPLS VPNs are as secure as
using ATM/FR PVCs between sites, and they have the big advantage of not
requiring management of IPSec hardware and keys at the customer sites.

- are there other options out there (such as virtual routers) that might
make more sense?

*** Some vendors are using virtual routers as another way of doing MPLS VPNs
(not following RFC 2547, which is informational anyway). However, I think
IPSec and MPLS VPNs a la 2547 are currently the main approaches.

Hope this helps,

Richard

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