The Routing Over Large Clouds Mailing List Archive by date

[Sam Wilson <ercm20@tattoo.ed.ac.uk>]

[ Much stuff deleted - only points I can sensibly answer or comment on
retained. ]

> > Of course <wry smile> but [CSRs] are not readily and affordably
> > available in the UK.  Yet.
> 
> You can.
> 
> We have constructed a CSR by combining a physically single homed
> IP workstation in parallel with ATM switches.
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> I think you should contact Ipsilon or Toshiba.

Too late.  So far as I know the people who supply and support IP routing
and ATM switching equipment in the UK did not offer us CSRs when we went
to buy our equipment for the MANs (18 mo ago) or the MAN interconnect
(this year); even if they had I don't know if we would have bought such
kit rather than the Ciscos, Bays, Fores and other stuff that we know and
love. 

> > > > and aren't currently the IETF consensus about the way
> > > > to go.
> > > 
> > > What consensus, do you think, we need?
> > 
> > How about the ION chairs or Joel saying "it's clear that the NHRP effort
> > is a waste of time - let's drop it".   :-)
> 
> IMHO, it's enough to let the ION chairs or Joel say "NHRP is proven to
> not to scale".
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> > > Anyway, to abandon NHRP, we only need a consensus that it is
> > > proven to not to work.
> > 
> > Exactly - I don't see such a consensus in the IP-over-ATM-related areas
> > of the IETF - do you?
> 
> Yes, at the last ROLC meeting, the proof was presented and
> several attempts of counter proof, even by Joel, have failed.
> 
> How can you say there is no consensus?

It's clear from the current traffic that there is a feeling in ION that
NHRP has a legitimate place.  That doesn't look like a consensus the
NHRP won't work.  If you want to argue it further with the WG chairs et
al please leave me out of it! I want to go back to lurking... 


Sam Wilson
Network Services Division
Computing Services, The University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh, Scotland, UK