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RE: IPSec and MPLS

  • From: "Ferrell, William" <William.Ferrell@titan.com>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:59:25 -0500
  • Cc: "Richmond, Daegal" <Daegal.Richmond@titan.com>, "Forster, Greg" <Greg.Forster@titan.com>
  • Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:47:28 -0500
  • To: "'Islam, Aziz'" <aziz.islam@eds.com>, alfred.denzler@netsurfer.ch, mpls-ops@mplsrc.com


AZIZ
Thanx for you time , I never did see the anserws to the following questions.
The issue of IPSEC degradeing performance is a well documented fact.  Can
you help us with a less gelationous anserw
Will

- Is IPsec really scalable in VPN's with 100-200 sites?

- As a consequence of using IPSec in an MPLS network, can I still offer CoS
or
are there any restrictions? (queuing,traffic classification, DSCP in IPSec
header)

- How is key management solved if encryption happens on a managed CE and key
management has to be done by the customer?

- Is IPSec on the CE the right solution or is a two box strategy the better
option? (e.g. clear interface between provider and customer)

- Are there any better solutions for encryption over an MPLS network?
 




-----Original Message-----
From: Islam, Aziz [mailto:aziz.islam@eds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:03 PM
To: alfred.denzler@netsurfer.ch; mpls-ops@mplsrc.com
Subject: RE: IPSec and MPLS


Hi Fredi,
I don't really think that it is "pointless to use IPSec in combination with
MPLS". For situations where you don't trust the MPLS core (after having done
a thorough risk analysis of the data you may want to protect) it may make
more sense to use IPSec in combination with MPLS. It all depends on whether
you trust your provider's core and what are the associated risks.

IPSec definitely has its overhead and depending on the routing engine and
whether you are using any hardware encryption modules, the performance
impact will be different. It all depends.....

Aziz S. Islam
Sr.Infrastructure Splst.- CCIE(R/S) 
EDS-Design Engineering
33 Yonge Street; Suite 400
Toronto, Ontario M5E 1G4
CANADA
phone: (416)814-1696
pager: (416)517-4985
mailto:aziz.islam@eds.com
http://www.eds.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Alfred Denzler [mailto:alfred.denzler@netsurfer.ch]
Sent: February 19, 2002 2:18 PM
To: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com
Subject: IPSec and MPLS


Hi there,

I'm planning to introduce an IP encrytion service on our MPLS network, and
would like to here your opinion of how IPSec and MPLS are matching. They are
both used to build VPN's over a public network and it seems pointless to use
them in combination! Except when we want to encrypt VPN traffic over an MPLS
network.
I have a few specific questions which I believe are worth thinking about.(We
are using hardware from THE vendor)

- What is the impact on performance when turning on IPSec on a CE? (not
directly related to MPLS)

- Is IPsec really scalabel in VPN's with 100-200 sites?

- As a consequence of using IPSec in an MPLS network, can I still offer CoS
or
are there any restrictions? (queuing,traffic classification, DSCP in IPSec
header)

- How is key management solved if encryption happens on a managed CE and key
management has to be done by the customer?

- Is IPSec on the CE the right solution or is a two box strategy the better
option? (e.g. clear interface between provider and customer)

- Are there any better solutions for encryption over an MPLS network?

Thanks a million for your answers!

Fredi


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